More printing cuts. They'll stop printing song books. The kingdom halls already have kingdom song karaoke at their meetings and the song book and music are available electronically. Physical song books are practically obsolete.
Island Man
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what will be the next thing
by pepperheart inhi what will be the next thing that watchtower will cut,if you say the leaked video that fay put up the finance guy from the watchtower was saying that they had spent $26 million in about 6 months.
so if they are getting through money that fast then they are going to have problems.
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The "Whole World" was flooded??
by stuckinarut2 inso, jehovah's witnesses and many other biblical literalists think that the "whole world" was flooded during noahs day.. they take the "accounts" in genesis literally.
so that means that areas as far away as australia, russia, argentina, greenland, antarctica were all visited by noah and his family to gather animals and preach before it happened right??
they then took everything back to the middle east to board the ark...uh huh.... yet, the same expression in the bible for the "whole world" is also used in the account about the "worldwide famine" in josephs day!
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Island Man
According to the Bible it was the whole world. If it were just a regional flood, why the need to spend so much decades building an ark? Why the need to bring animal species on the ark to preserve them? If it was a regional flood God could have simply directed Noah to move to a safe location. It is very clear that the author of the Biblical account was depicting an earth-wide flood.
Of course, it's all just a myth, and the author didn't know about the existence of Australia and the Americas. Why? Because the author wasn't God. The author or authors were mortal men ignorant of the true size of the earth, the shear number of animal species, and all the science and logistics that make their story logically untenable.
But if we assume the Bible truly is the Word of God then we have to engage in gymnastic reasoning to make sense out of a narrative that is nonsensical, like saying the author meant a regional flood even though it's very clear from the text that he doesn't. Or saying that the "whole earth" doesn't really mean the whole earth. It's very clear what the author meant. And it's very clear that he/they were spouting nonsense due to their ignorance.
The same is true of the NT reference that says the good news was preached in all the earth. The author really believed that because he was ignorant of the existence of the Americas. Back then the entire known world (known to the author) probably spanned from the British isles to the southwest coast of Africa to India to northeast China. NT authors even believed in a flat earth as evidenced by the gospels referring to Jesus being shown "all the kingdoms of the world" from the top of an extraordinarily high mountain - a feat only possible on a flat earth with no atmosphere. The Bible is clearly not scientifically accurate and clearly not the inspired word of God.
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Why Do People Oppose Jehovah's Witnesses?
by BlackSpirit injesus christ, the son of the most high god, jehovah has this to say: "if the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.
if you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own.
now because you are no part of the world, but i have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.
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Island Man
Opposition faced by JWs don't prove they're God's true worshipers and Christ's true disciples. Why they're being opposed is of critical importance, "For what merit is there if you are beaten for sinning and you endure it?" - 1 Peter 2:20
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Zeal vs Fanaticism. What is the difference?
by stuckinarut2 ina good friend of ours and i were chatting the other day about the difference between a zealous person and fanatical person.. what is the difference?.
why is someone praised for being "zealous" , but another person is mocked or condemned for being a "fanatical" person?.
how would jws be classed?.
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Island Man
Fanaticism is unhealthily excessive zeal. If zeal means drinking alcohol, then fanaticism means binge-drinking until you're stone drunk, endangering your life and the lives of others.
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Suggestions for horror/supernatural movies
by Addison0998 inhey guys, so now that i’m pretty much atheist and i’m not scared of demons or supernatural things, or bring them into my house by watching movies or reading books about them lol, i defenitly want to watch a few scary movies.
i’ve always loved scary movies, but as witness, you don’t get to watch many since they need to be pg-13 and have no spiritism in it lol.
does anyone have any suggestions?
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Island Man
I enjoyed:
- I Am Legend (with Will Smith)
- War of the Worlds (the modern one with Tom Cruise)
These are two greatly underrated movies, in my opinion.
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Son of God
by Steel inis this a title of diety or did god have a baby?
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sorry for being so brief, typing on a phone.. i am kind of interested to see what you have to say.
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Island Man
I've heard that "Son of God" was actually a title that the Roman Emperor carried and that is why the religious leaders were so worried about Jesus calling himself and being called "Son of God". It has been said that they were afraid that word would get back to Rome that there is a Jewish rabbi claiming the highest imperial authority and gathering a large following; which would have led to the Romans intervening violently and the religious leaders in Israel losing their positions.
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So What Drastic Money Change is Next?
by OnTheWayOut inokay, they cheapened the product by getting rid of hardcover books.
they reduced printing of mags.
they drastically reduced the number of pieces of printed paper that members would "place" in people's hands in various ways, the biggest one being that they put them on a cart and don't encourage people to take them.they cut d.o.
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Island Man
Where possible, instead of building a kingdom hall, they'll have smaller congregations meeting in private homes. Think of how much they'll save in utility bills and construction costs. They can easily spin it by saying they're returning to the first century model and that smaller congs. mean the elders can give more attention to each member.
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Signs You Would Like To See At Watchtower Convention
by Brokeback Watchtower ini think gb loesch has made some pretty bold statements that could be put in quotes with his picture attached could be a real killer!.
believe and obey only the faithful slave, don't believe any negative comment about us in the press believe only us.. google: child molestation watchtower bible and tract society, klick on wikki.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse.
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Island Man
A good strategy is to take phrases known to JWs and make powerful statements with them. Song lyrics might be a good place to look. Examples:
'How does it make you feel' ... to be supporting an organization that covers up pedophilia?"
The Bible: "Do not put your trust in men ..."
The Governing Body: "Trust us completely!"
Watchtower is guilty of 'history laundering'!
Deceitful Religious Authorities ...
- Fear independent inquiry.
- Encourage their followers to distrust the media.
- Are afraid of the facts that ex-followers will reveal to current followers.
- Always resort to some form of censorship since truth cannot be refuted.
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Banned words in the organization
by Addison0998 ini was talking to my sister in law the other day about death, and i mentioned something about the afterlife, i don’t remember what i said but it was nothing shocking .
but she squealed, “we don’t believe in the afterlife!
!” and i reasoned, well we kinda do...life after death is the after life..and she just insisted no no it’s not the same thing.
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Island Man
"Witnesses try to differ just for the sake of being different."
They truly are modern-day Pharisees according to the very meaning of the word!
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Consequences for having a non religious wedding ceraminy?
by Addison0998 inhey i was wondering if maybe someone who is an ex elder or who knows a lot about these things could help me.
my dad is an elder but i need to be cautious with questions i ask.
now that i’ve been woken up from my brainwashed love of this corrupt corporation and from my belief in the bible, and my fiancé is starting to wake up as well, i really don’t want to have the sexist, overused, impersonal talk outline used for my wedding ceremony by some elder who is trying to show off his talk giving skills.
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Island Man
I think your safest bet would be to have no ceremony at all. Just have a strictly legal signing of the documents. The moment you have any kind of extra ceremony or marriage talk - even if stated as being non-religious - you leave an opening for hardline elders to frame trumped up accusations that you've in some way dabbled with false religion or some form of spiritual uncleanness.